Astrologer, therapist, and author Mark Jones joins host Jenn Zahrt from Wales in the UK! This deep and personal conversation covers lots of ground, including: how the archetypes evolve, including Saturn’s cultural and historical changes; the observer effect and attention as a moral act; the astrological worldview understood on a serious level; the natal chart as where you start, not where you finish (and the unfoldment of your engagement with it); the humanistic perspective as a grounding for the transpersonal; and Mark’s experience studying with author Jeffrey Wolf Green. Plus: the tree of life and Kabbalistic astrology, the map of the path, and knowing about an experience versus living it!