Within Orb Episode 42 with Gray Crawford

Astrologer and teacher Gray Crawford is partile to host Jenn Zahrt this week! Join the Olympia, Washington almost-neighbors, as they chat about books and more, including: Kairos time and Chronos time; the Lots of Daimon and Fortune; theurgy and astrological magic; zodiacal releasing; layers of determinism versus cosmic creation as participatory; the idea of astrological transformation; the birth chart as an altar; secondary progressed-to-progressed combinations; archetypal timing structures; how to talk to clients; eclipse families, the Saros cycle, and midpoint theory; and parans and projected degrees. Plus: gateway books, astrological piano scarves, and … which ephemeris would you bring?

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Song “Wake Up” used with permission by The E-Block Band.


Episode timestamps (conversation recorded March 2024):

00:31 – Gray is a natal, horary, and electional astrologer and teacher. He offers a relational approach using techniques drawn from ancient and modern sources, synthesizing influences from Hellenistic, magical, mythic-archetypal, and psychological astrology. Gray has taught at UAC, NORWAC, and ISAR astrology conferences, Kepler College, and various astrology associations around the USA. His astrological writing has been published on Astrology.com, in WellBeing Astrology, and by Ignota Press. Contact Gray at his site and check out his astrology articles, educational offerings, and more!

00:51 – It’s the week of dancers and dreamers! Gray’s first astrology text ever was The Secret Language of Birthdays: Your Complete Personology Guide for Each Day of the Year by Gary Goldschneider and Joost Elffers, which fascinated him at the time. Later, he dug into The Only Astrology Book You’ll Ever Need by Joanna Woolfolk.

04:39 – If Gray were to be stranded on a desert island, which books would he bring? His first choice is On the Mysteries by Iamblichus, because he’d finally have time to read the whole book cover-to-cover!

10:20 – With some natal chart overlap, Gray has always resonated with Dane Rudhyar’s writing. Therefore, his second choice is Rudhyar’s The Astrology of Transformation.


15:34 – Join the Significant Sources Salon hosted by Dr. James Dotson at the CAELi Institute!


16:21 – Gray’s third title would be Vettius Valens’s The Anthology, because there’s so much in it! But this was a difficult pick, so Gray also gives a hat tip to: Cosmos and Psyche: Intimations of a New World View by Richard Tarnas; Christian Astrology by William Lilly; and Abu Ma’shar’s Persian Nativities IV: On the Revolutions of the Years of Nativities, translated by Benjamin Dykes. (And the very cool zodiacal releasing research tool that Jenn references can be found at: https://nataltransits.com/timelord.html.)

21:04 – For beginners, Gray considered which books he’d buy his daughter. With that in mind, enjoy this wonderful and comprehensive list: Astrology: Using the Wisdom of the Stars in Your Everyday Life by Carole Taylor; Aspects in Astrology: A Guide to Understanding Planetary Relationships in the Horoscope by Sue Tompkins; Soul, Symbol, and Imagination: The Artistry of Astrology by Brian Clark; The Classical Seven Planets: Source Texts and Meaning by Charles Obert; Predictive Astrology: The Eagle and the Lark by Bernadette Brady; A Tiny Universe: Astrology and the Thema Mundi Chart by Joy Usher; and Temperament: Astrology’s Forgotten Key by Dorian Greenbaum.

27:10 – Find Gray at: https://graycrawford.net/. And check out his Patreon here!

28:48 – Thanks for listening to Within Orb! If you love the show, please help support it at no cost to you: Follow or subscribe wherever you listen, rate it five stars, or write a happy review! And if you’d like to become a CAELi member or support our work with a contribution of any amount, we’d be delighted – thanks!

Show notes by Jen Braun, JJ Boots Productions LLC.

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