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We hope you enjoy these deep dives into the texts that shape how we think and work with the starry firmament here on Earth

Within Orb is our premiere podcast dedicated to exploring the books and texts that have changed our lives, as we grow our astrological practice. Tune in every other week to hear our host and founder, Jenn Zahrt, interview a new voice in the field about the books (not always astrological!) that changed how they work with celestial arts. You can subscribe via your favorite podcatcher, or head over to our YouTube channel to watch the full conversations via video. We hope you enjoy these deep dives into the texts that shape how we think and work with the starry firmament here on Earth.
Astrologer Dorje Kirsten joins host Jenn Zahrt from Portland, Oregon! Join the two for this rich and lively chat covering books and more, including: the lineage of soul chart conversations; the elegant solution of a divinatory method; triplicity rulerships; and pondering the elements! Plus: growing up surrounded by astrology books, Mars and stubbing your toe, and black swan astrology!
Dorje Kirsten joins Episode 89 of Within Orb!
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Episode timestamps (conversation recorded April 2025):
00:12 – Dorje Kirsten is a professional astrologer who lives in Portland, Oregon with his wife and children. He has been reading charts professionally since 2006. Before that time, he spent 12 years learning meditation and rituals at Chagdud Gonpa Foundation, a Tibetan Buddhist Retreat center, as a full-time volunteer and retreatant. Dorje is also a Tea Master, software engineer, and 32º Mason. He is training under the OPA counseling astrology certification process. A few of the astrologers he has studied with are Kay Taylor and Bernadette Brady, who received certificates of accomplishment from the Astro Logos medieval astrology school and Predictive Astrology school, and he studied Greek astrology with Joseph Crane.
00:32 – Dorje’s first astrology book was Astrology, Karma, and Transformation: The Inner Dimensions of the Birth Chart by Stephan Arroyo.
06:56 – If Dorje could bring only three books to Cannon Beach rock, his first pick would be The Moment of Astrology: Origins in Divination by Geoffrey Cornelius.
17:49 – Dorje’s second choice would be the Book of Astronomy by Guido Bonatti.
19:51 – Interlude: Join the CAELi Support Drive and for only $35, you can enjoy your morning beverage out of a gorgeous CAELi mug!
23:10 – The third title Dorje would bring is Steven Forrest’s series on the elements (The Book of Fire, The Book of Earth, The Book of Air, and The Book of Water).
33:37 – For beginners, Dorje recommends The Inner Sky by Steven Forrest and Predictive Astrology: The Eagle and the Lark by Bernadette Brady.
38:51 – Find Dorje at his website: https://heartastrology.com/. On Bluesky, his handle is @heartastrology. On Instagram, he’s @heartastrology168.
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Show notes and production by Jen Braun of JJ Boots Productions LLC.
